What is Natalie Doing?

[Monty924]

Okay, I've missed something here. She was on board with the plan, then she spilled the beans to Adam. Now she's spilling her guts to Sheila and Sharon. Either she's the best actress in the world or she really thinks she can pull off the "girls" plan. I think Adam would go with Ryan, Josh and James in a heartbeat. Maybe she's pulling votes out of potential jurors (sheila and sharon), but I'm not sure Natalie is that smart... or is she? What is she doing?

[storygirl]

I'm not sure, but I think Natalie's got it under control, at least for the moment.
She's got about 3 or 4 different scenarios going. :p But I think her true alliance right now really is Sheila and Sharon.

She's knows James & Josh are in cahoots. She's also figured out that Ryan is not to be trusted and is probably in with J & J. Ryan's outright lying to Sheila, saying he's sticking to the plan (to vote out Josh), at least whenever Sheila & Adam are both with him. But when Sheila isn't around he's telling Adam he thinks Sharon will come after them. Adam seems to be leaning towards getting rid of Josh, but he could be playing everyone.

So that's how I see it, but I could be wrong. ;)

Honestly, they are doing a great job of keeping me confused as to where their true alliances stand! :confused: This season is turning out to be a lot better than I expected at the beginning.

[cherryred]

I think Natalie is in complete control. SHe's an evil genius - she's gotten EVERYONE to tell HER their game plan. SHe's got at least three different senerios to choose from. Everyone thought she bought into the James/josh plan - but then she told Adam everything about it...lol - I think her plan is to get rid of Josh. :D

[moviegal]

Okay, I've missed something here...but I'm not sure Natalie is that smart... or is she? What is she doing?

You and everyone else, darlin'. I don't have a clue at this point what she's doing - and I seriously wonder if she does, either. She has to choose a final 4 - and if she goes with the girls, she knows she can beat out Sheila, but I think that Sharon could surprise her in the physical comps. If that's her plan, her smartest move would be to keep Josh (who's the weakest of the males physically). But both Sharon and Josh are stronger players mentally - so that could cause her trouble.

If she goes with Adam, Ryan and Sheila she has to know that, even if she wins in endurance, Adam is stronger than she is physically (he's been throwing comps). Unless she believes that out-of-shape because he smokes crap. Both Ryan and Adam are stronger than she is on the mental comps. and will support each other over either of the women.

If she goes with James, Josh and Ryan she's going to be in trouble on all fronts, with the exception of Josh physically. Plus, she'd be the odd (wo)man out for final 3.

To stay alive for another week, her best bet would be to put up Sheila. It's highly unlikely that Sheila will win HOH next week - nobody would be after her for getting rid of Sheila. Honestly, I think her only chance of not being put up next week is if Adam wins HOH.

[storygirl]

Natalie's going to talk to Adam & Ryan in the HoH today. If Ryan still says he's voting out Sharon, she's got a backup plan - put up Ryan instead of Sharon to make sure Josh goes home and split up the Josh/James, Josh/Ryan, and Josh/Sharon alliances. (I know Sharon says she's on board with Natalie, but if Josh stays and when James leaves Sharon might take up with Josh again) She needs to take Sheila to the end IMO. Natalie's a smarter cookie than most are giving her credit for.

[cherryred]

she's not book smarts but has a great ability to read people

[moviegal]

She needs to take Sheila to the end IMO. Natalie's a smarter cookie than most are giving her credit for.

Then she's sitting up there against a single mother - and she'll lose because Matt, Adam, Ryan and James will all buy into Sheila needing the money more M/J were raised by their own single Mom's, Adam already gave Sheila the $10,000 - taken away by Ryan) and Ryan will be pissed because Nat put him up. Bad move IMO.

[storygirl]

You never know how they're going to vote in the end.

Evel Dick won last year with 5 votes from people he had either attacked viciously or sent home - Eric, Dustin, Zach, Amber & Jessica. Daniele only got 2 votes - Jameka & Jen.

So I still think Nat's chances against Sheila are better than they might be against anyone else in the house. They've all said they don't like it when she plays the single mother card, and remember, her son is almost an adult.

Who do you think she should take to the end? (assuming she makes it that far)

[moviegal]

You never know how they're going to vote in the end.

Evel Dick won last year with 5 votes from people he had either attacked viciously or sent home - Eric, Dustin, Zach, Amber & Jessica. Daniele only got 2 votes - Jameka & Jen.

So I still think Nat's chances against Sheila are better than they might be against anyone else in the house. They've all said they don't like it when she plays the single mother card, and remember, her son is almost an adult.

Who do you think she should take to the end? (assuming she makes it that far)

Let me start by saying that I don't want to see her at the end - although I loved her at first and tried to make excuses for her, eventually she wore me down to the point that I really don't want to see her win. JMO

That being said, I think she would do well against Ryan, because even though I couldn't tolerate her, Allison was right. Jen was so badly disliked in that house that the knowledge that if Ryan wins, Jen wins would kill him. Plus, you'd have Sheila in there reminding everybody that they'd already won $15,00 between them - since he took "her" $10,000. I think he'd get (3) votes - Adam, Joshuah and Chels.

I don't think you'll probably like this, but her best bet to win the money would be if she was sitting besides James. Although the vote would probably also be 4-3 - she'd win hands down against James.

Either way, she needs to be there with someone who had already been evicted.

ED won last year for 3 basic reasons (sorry ED):

1) AG was pushing for the estranged father/daughter TV dynamic - and to make sure it happened, she allowed Dick to get away with pretty much everything and anything. When she ordered Eric not to use the POV when he and Jessica wanted to so she could put up Danielle, that assured AG of her dad/kid deal;

2) He was up against Danielle - whom everybody disliked;

3) He had Eric in the jury house convincing everybody (under the AP contract) to persuade everyone to vote for Dick.

[storygirl]

Right now I'd like to see Nat in the end, because I think she's played a good game since Matty left. The Ryan/Jen theory is a good one. But I think Matt might vote for Ryan too, and Nat would lose.

I agree with you that James would be a good one to take to the end. He probably is a better choice than Sheila, because I don't think he stands a chance against Nat. But I don't even want to see him get second place money, based on his behavior in the house, and because I think he's a poser - JMO.

Of course, if it truly is all a set-up by AG, like the ED win - what will be, will be,,, no matter what any of us think. ;)

[Crazy]

Right now I'd like to see Nat in the end, because I think she's played a good game since Matty left. The Ryan/Jen theory is a good one. But I think Matt might vote for Ryan too, and Nat would lose.

I agree with you that James would be a good one to take to the end. He probably is a better choice than Sheila, because I don't think he stands a chance against Nat. But I don't even want to see him get second place money, based on his behavior in the house, and because I think he's a poser - JMO.

Of course, if it truly is all a set-up by AG, like the ED win - what will be, will be,,, no matter what any of us think. ;)
I really dislike the set-up. This show needs to get back to reality or it's going to lose it's already diminishing fan base.

Why not 14 smart people who are expected to play the game well?

Big Brother is so big in other countries, I really think UK has the best setup.

I'm rooting for Ryan to win, I don't know why. I guess I identify with his laid back attitude and semi-smart game play. Oh yes, I liked Allison so he gets my proxy vote. Plus, I've always hated James, right off the bat.

Totally jacked Natalie's thread. She's ok, I see why the internet likes her, but those reasons make me dislike her. I sympathize with Matt on her. I don't like her hair, I don't like her boobs, but I can't fault her game play and I think she stands a good chance to win.

If she makes it to the end, I don't think anybody will be able to beat her.