Daniele

[piperyoung]

It's really gotten ugly out here in the cyber world regarding Dani.

I am shocked at the level of Daniele hate I come across on the internet. After the first few weeks, I stopped going to most of the BB sites, just because the hate was so disgusting about Dani and several of the other HGs. I dont understand the need to berate and pick this girl apart at every opportunity.

The basics of the haters goes something like this "she is a slutty, whiny, spoiled, bratty little bitch". Whatever. Fuck those haters.

Dani went into the house kind of knowing that her dad was also going to be in there. That takes guts right there just to even want to be in the same house with him, as we all have come to know what kind of person Dick is. The fact that she tried to overlook her issues with him and work with him, albeit to get a half million dollars, speaks volumes. If it was me, I would have worked to get my mother out of there asap.

Dani has proven herself to be extremely smart and articulate, she has tried to keep a level head on her shoulders regarding both Nick and her dad. Being human, she has hard a hard time keeping personal separate from game regarding those two, but who wouldnt have a hard time. She put herself out there for millions of feedsters and TV viewers to watch, so cut her a little slack.

As for the charge that she is whiny, after being stuck in the house with these people PLUS the dad you obviously dont get along with, who wouldnt be sick of being around them????

Is she spoiled? In some ways yes, in some ways no. She likes to get her way, who doesnt? She obviously has deep seeded issues with her dad, and when he is smothering her or "acting like a father", she finds it annoying. I would too. This is a man who didnt raise her, who has obviously said things to her in the past that she cannot get over, and yet he wants to act like Dad in the BB house. I can completely understand where she is coming from. When my mother (who I have volunatrily not spoken to for the last 10-12 years) comes to an event of mine, say a graduation from college, and tries to introduce herself and act like she's my mom, it pisses me off royally, because she isnt my mom. She didnt raise me, she has nothing to do with the type of person I have become, other than to be a portrait of what I dont want to be, and when she tries to act like a "mother" in front of her friends or other people, I cannot even put into words how annoying and upsetting it is. So maybe I identify with Dani too much, but the criticism by many that she is a spoiled whiny brat to her dad is not a just arguement. Not in the real world and not in the Big Brother world.

People are all entitled to their views but I really find the trashing of Dani hard to take. I have issues, there is no doubt, and I identify very closely with her. I have a very thin skin (although I can pretend to have a thick skin with the best of them), and Dani has mentioned many times that she has a thin skin. I worry for many of these people when they get out and see the outrageously hateful things people have written about them. Even people I dont really like, such as Amber, I truly worry for her mental health when she gets out and finds out what kind of a storm she is in for.

[AZfan]

She and her dad have watched BB for years, so they know what people say about the HGs. As for her whining, she started that on DAY ONE.

If you saw her smiling face in HOH tonight, you would realize just how cunning she is.

[piperyoung]

She and her dad have watched BB for years, so they know what people say about the HGs. As for her whining, she started that on DAY ONE.

If you saw her smiling face in HOH tonight, you would realize just how cunning she is.

I saw her tonite. I'm not new, I've been watching her since the beginning. she is smart as a whip. she is cunning, and in this game, that isnt a bad thing. she is a competitor. I like her, and the fact that you claim she is "cunning" does nothing to my enjoyment of her, cause she is cunning. Makes her a hell of a competitor

[AZfan]

She is cunning and everyone in the house realizes that she is the competitor, not dear old dad.

For everyone who gives her a break about her age (whiny, immature, etc), do you realize that she is only 2 years younger than Jen? What would Danielle's reaction have been if someone had dumped tea on her head?

[michigirl74]

she wouldn't need to react... her dad would do it for her.

[AZfan]

she wouldn't need to react... her dad would do it for her.


Exactly. HOWEVER, if her dad was not there, she would have screamed until someone got thrown out. No way would she have let it pass like Jen did.

Or whined in the DR about how "frustrated" and "not fair" everything is..............oh wait. She does that anyway.

[guenza]

people write really ugly things about all the houseguests ive noticed. i feel sorry for the families if they read these boards/.

[charjoin]

I agree with you Piper. I really like her....

[supes414]

she wouldn't need to react... her dad would do it for her.

Very true. If she wins, she owes him a lot of credit. Whether she wants to talk to him or not.

[piperyoung]

She is cunning and everyone in the house realizes that she is the competitor, not dear old dad.

I dont really understand why the use of the word "cunning" is a bad thing. In the Big Brother house, that is something you need to win the game. Uh, hello, Dr Will anyone??? She is by far the best competitor in there


For everyone who gives her a break about her age (whiny, immature, etc), do you realize that she is only 2 years younger than Jen? What would Danielle's reaction have been if someone had dumped tea on her head?

I dont think I am cutting her a break based on her age. I'm not even sure I mentioned it in my original post. And yes, she is just 2 years younger than Jen, I realize that. Whats your point? Yes Jen reacted very well to having a horrible guy pour tea on her head, no question. Who's to say Dani would have reacted differently? This statement really doesnt hold water for that reason.

And so what if she is whiny or immature? She has kicked ass in the house, and she has been the one bringing her dad along, not the other way around. She has kicked ass in there. Like I said, who wouldnt be bored and sick of being with these people 24/7? So I cant knock her for complaining about other HGs. Unwarranted bashing, I am not a fan of, but seriously, I cant imagine any of us would be as even tempered as we would like to think if we were surrounded with people like Dick, Dustin, Zach, Amber, and Eric all the time.

Whatever. I love her, and I hope she continues to kick ass, and I also hopes her dad leaves so she can concentrate completely on the game.

[piperyoung]

Very true. If she wins, she owes him a lot of credit. Whether she wants to talk to him or not.

Indeed, if she makes it to the F2 with her dad she will owe him just because his behavior is so unappealing that no one will vote for him. However, I tend to think Dani has carried her dad thru the competition, not the other way around. If she wasnt there to win these POVs and HOHs, he would have been long gone.

They have benefitted from each other, no doubt, but Dani is obviously the stronger of the two and the better Big Brother player

[charjoin]

I dont really understand why the use of the word "cunning" is a bad thing. In the Big Brother house, that is something you need to win the game. Uh, hello, Dr Will anyone??? She is by far the best competitor in there



I dont think I am cutting her a break based on her age. I'm not even sure I mentioned it in my original post. And yes, she is just 2 years younger than Jen, I realize that. Whats your point? Yes Jen reacted very well to having a horrible guy pour tea on her head, no question. Who's to say Dani would have reacted differently? This statement really doesnt hold water for that reason.

And so what if she is whiny or immature? She has kicked ass in the house, and she has been the one bringing her dad along, not the other way around. She has kicked ass in there. Like I said, who wouldnt be bored and sick of being with these people 24/7? So I cant knock her for complaining about other HGs. Unwarranted bashing, I am not a fan of, but seriously, I cant imagine any of us would be as even tempered as we would like to think if we were surrounded with people like Dick, Dustin, Zach, Amber, and Eric all the time.

Whatever. I love her, and I hope she continues to kick ass, and I also hopes her dad leaves so she can concentrate completely on the game.

Listen, the reason Jen got alot of CREDIT is when she didn't react to anything DICK sent her way. However, don't forget how incredably DUMB Jen played when she was HOH. How she let her personal feelings of jealousy for NICK and DANI get the best of her. Dani has been cool and level headed the entire show. Yes, she whines, but at least she can idenbtify and communicate her feelings. Jen has ALOT of deep rooted problems. I doubt that Danielle would be so immature as to take anyones smokes and distroy them or attack him and then play victim...."you burned me, you burned me" as she is swatting the cigarette. OMG

[michigirl74]

However, don't forget how incredably DUMB Jen played when she was HOH. How she let her personal feelings of jealousy for NICK and DANI get the best of her. Dani has been cool and level headed the entire show.

I respectfully disagree.. when she nominated eric I think it was personal as she kept saying "this weeks' for nick" she found things to back up her reasoning but she could have just as easily pegged Amber from the banner being the goofy vote..

I think it's hard for ANYONE to not get personal or emotionally involved given the situation..

[AZfan]

Danielle has really played up the "I'm young, so give me a break when I whine, complain about not getting my way" crap. That is cunning. I did not use cunning as negative. I don't think it's a positive or a negative, just a fact.

And yes, I agree "this one's for Nick" was totally emotional and WEIRD since she had known him all of 3-4 weeks. Of course, he was a total conquest, so maybe she felt a possession was taken.

[piperyoung]

However, don't forget how incredably DUMB Jen played when she was HOH. How she let her personal feelings of jealousy for NICK and DANI get the best of her. Dani has been cool and level headed the entire show. Yes, she whines, but at least she can idenbtify and communicate her feelings. Jen has ALOT of deep rooted problems. I doubt that Danielle would be so immature as to take anyones smokes and distroy them or attack him and then play victim...."you burned me, you burned me" as she is swatting the cigarette. OMG

I could not agree more. People have forgotten about the way Jen acted in her HOH, the ridiculous jealousy she had about Dani and her relationship w/Nick - she is still extremely jealous as noted by the way she continues to talk about Nick and her visible jealousy at seeing his letter to Dani in her 2nd HOH. Yes, she was very cool and level-headed with Dick when he was tormenting her many times, I give her credit for that. Although I think she is just very dense and just didnt really know what to do or say to him, so she just did her creepy blank stare at him.

And you hit the nail on the head when you state that Dani can communicate her feelings - something Jen was incapable of. Even though it often comes out and is percieved as "whiny", she is able to communicate with people, carry on a conversation and get her point across. Jen could not - as witnessed when the whole house got together after Dani & Amber got back to te house after their trip. Jen couldnt explain her actions, she couldnt understand why it was putting Jameka in a hard spot and upsetting her - I mean, Jameka gave up 5 HOHs for the same competition that Jen won, then decided to go back on her word. This was very unfair to Jameka and Kail both. Yet, no matter how hard people tried to explain it to Jen, she just never understood it. She doesnt empathise with anyone's feelings - something she readily admits.

I'd rather be a human with feelings who might complain (like Dani) rather than a robot who has no concept of empathy compassion, or identification with any other person (like Jen) although many argue that is her defense mechanism. I disagree. I never saw emotions from Jen that didnt have to do with her jealousy of Dani or her own appearance. That is what scares me about the fact that Jen is a nanny and takes care of children - that is not the kind of person I would want to be a caretaker for my kids. That is just scary.

And poeple tend to idolize Jen for the way she was able to take all of Dick's trash talking for a month. Yes, she did so extremely well, no one can argue with that. However you cannot argue with the fact that Jen took out her anger with Dick on Daniele many times, the same way most everyone else in the house has. Dani isnt innocent in this situation, she did her share of trashing Jen, but with the way Jen targeted Dani in the first week because of her relationship with Nick and continued to make backhanded comments to her doesnt make Jen innocent. There were many things that happened in the first week of feeds that we missed, and since everyone had the same view of Jen immediately when the feeds turned on goes to show that Jen had already done a great job of burning bridges with all the other HGs besides Kail.

[michigirl74]

And poeple tend to idolize Jen for the way she was able to take all of Dick's trash talking for a month. Yes, she did so extremely well, no one can argue with that. However you cannot argue with the fact that Jen took out her anger with Dick on Daniele many times, the same way most everyone else in the house has. Dani isnt innocent in this situation, she did her share of trashing Jen, but with the way Jen targeted Dani in the first week because of her relationship with Nick and continued to make backhanded comments to her doesnt make Jen innocent. There were many things that happened in the first week of feeds that we missed, and since everyone had the same view of Jen immediately when the feeds turned on goes to show that Jen had already done a great job of burning bridges with all the other HGs besides Kail.
Yesterday 01:37 pm

Just because everyone in the house didnt like her isn't because she did something so horrid. You are right we didn't see feeds, but that doesn't mean something happened. This group IMO has had the herd mentality from day one... as long as they weren't being picked on they were happy to join in.. they all, always gang up on the house target. For whatever reason she was it.. because she cried over her picture, because she didn't want dick to touch her in the butter competition, because whatever the reason. I don't think she's some perfect being but don't find backhanded comments the same at the outright abuse she took from Dick.

[piperyoung]

Just because everyone in the house didnt like her isn't because she did something so horrid. You are right we didn't see feeds, but that doesn't mean something happened. This group IMO has had the herd mentality from day one... as long as they weren't being picked on they were happy to join in.. they all, always gang up on the house target. For whatever reason she was it.. because she cried over her picture, because she didn't want dick to touch her in the butter competition, because whatever the reason. I don't think she's some perfect being but don't find backhanded comments the same at the outright abuse she took from Dick.

I agree with most of this. I was just pointing out the way Jen targeted Dani with her anger because of what Dick was doing to her. If anything, I would have thought Jen would feel bad for Dani as no doubt Dani had been the target of this type of yelling and verbal abuse from Dick prior to entering the house. I am just sick of people treating Jen like she did no wrong. No doubt, she took abuse from Dick that was undeserved and she held up better than I would have.

I dont know if this entire house had the herd mentality. Most of them, sure. However, I can say that I formed my opinions of Jen based on what I saw on the feeds and the show, and I disliked Jen as well. I dont base my opinions on what the HGs say about others, but after watching Jen for a week or so, I had had it with her. I can only imagine what she was like before the feeds started, or what itwould have been like to live with her.

But this is a Dani love thread, not a Jen thread. However, apparently most online fans seem to think you love one and hate the other as a rule. Whatever. I love Dani because she has played the best, most strategic, smartest game, she has dominated the competitions, and she has held up much better than I would have if I was stuck in the house with the parent that I dont talk to. Go Dani! (also go Zach! but that is another thread that I just posted)

[Amberhea]

Danielle has really played up the "I'm young, so give me a break when I whine, complain about not getting my way" crap. That is cunning. I did not use cunning as negative. I don't think it's a positive or a negative, just a fact.

And yes, I agree "this one's for Nick" was totally emotional and WEIRD since she had known him all of 3-4 weeks. Of course, he was a total conquest, so maybe she felt a possession was taken.

I can't agree more...this is what really gets on my nerves about this chick. She is a very smart player, but I am definitely not enjoying her personality very much.

[charjoin]

I respectfully disagree.. when she nominated eric I think it was personal as she kept saying "this weeks' for nick" she found things to back up her reasoning but she could have just as easily pegged Amber from the banner being the goofy vote..

I think it's hard for ANYONE to not get personal or emotionally involved given the situation..

Yeah, I agree with this, but I was talking about how JEN didn't know who she would put on the block and she went downstairs, saw Nick and Dani and decided just then to put up Nick...like she was in High School or something.

[AZfan]

Yeah, I agree with this, but I was talking about how JEN didn't know who she would put on the block and she went downstairs, saw Nick and Dani and decided just then to put up Nick...like she was in High School or something.

But that was early on, remember? Jen was HOH second week, so strategically it makes sense to nominate ANYONE who you can see is already forming an alliance.

[charjoin]

Just because everyone in the house didnt like her isn't because she did something so horrid. You are very correct here, I think the houseguests didn't like Jen because of Jen herself. I didn't like her from Episode one. I thought she came off really bad...self-centered. Me Me I I I

Then to top it all off, the whole crying at the picture shallow thing; the whole Dick not touching her was rude and mean and hurtfull; the way she pranced about during her head of household reign...her strong arming people by threats to put up friends if they used the veto; then the whole Nick drama. It was just too much And, lets not forget that she was mean, uncaring, oblivious to her meaness and unattached from anything "real" going on in the house.

I have to think that is when I really, really started liking Dick, he did what I wanted to do.... Well, I think I would have thrown the tea in her face, not just pour it on her head.

I wouldn't want to be stuck in a house with her... then for her to bully my child... nope, I would have been kicked out for sure.